tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post2260645645191885530..comments2024-03-25T14:54:04.942+00:00Comments on Dora Reads: Nerd Church - Do We REALLY Value the ART?Cee Arr @ Dora Readshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04074909561530525221noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-12209465918755221542019-09-12T10:51:10.047+01:002019-09-12T10:51:10.047+01:00Ha, I think what you're basically telling me, ...Ha, I think what you're basically telling me, D, is that you dislike pretentious a**holes. And I totally agree! ;)<br /><br />There's def. an element of perpetuating this 'I'm better than you cos my sh**s don't stink' superiority (I have no idea why I phrased it like that... I apologise!) which in turn perpetuates the whole style-over-substance deal-y that's going on here!Cee Arr @ Dora Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074909561530525221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-77275459947090803772019-09-10T22:42:17.810+01:002019-09-10T22:42:17.810+01:00This is so fascinating. Let's see. Let me try ...This is so fascinating. Let's see. Let me try to gather my thoughts (<--I originally wrote "sought" instead of "thought" and that should just show you the level of intelligence you're dealing with here). I think it's not just a name that people attach to an artist. Like, there's a significant layer of privilege that comes with that fame, with the sort of estimated value of someone's work. I think of authors who turned out to be very creepy, very problematic, and very dated in their artistic pursuits. Still, it's rare when a supposedly famous, talented artist loses the high value attached to their work. I remember when I was in university and professors would present an author's life in a weirdly matter-of-fact kind of way. Like, they'd already decided how this person's legacy will be presented. There was always these set of keywords they'd repeat as a way of distinguishing this white author from the author white authors, too. And, sure, maybe they do have differences, but I'd want to search for something to communicate other perspectives from that time (or heck, from our time. I'd want people to poke and prod at these so-called "classic" or "timeless" pieces). Oh! And, I'd also posit that it's not the artists themselves who are awarded with reputation and value to their work. I think it also comes with a price tag for those who can *distinguish* these pieces. It makes me think of people who do wine-tasting and they sniff the wine in their glasses as though they can somehow detect whether it's good wine of bad wine. Ironically: I don't drink wine or alcohol but I always found people like this to be more centered around alienating others around them. *Scratches head* It's like those people who memorize classic lines from classic novels and they just name-drop crap? And, they're like, "Oh! Would you look at that. I accidentally quoted Nietzsche!" <br />Dinasoaurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303683677407160128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-57561696394518529102019-08-08T13:15:10.349+01:002019-08-08T13:15:10.349+01:00Ha, why do I feel like there's shade I'm m...Ha, why do I feel like there's shade I'm missing in this comment? ;) Totally agree, though, shade notwithstanding!Cee Arr @ Dora Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074909561530525221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-39919519809733610942019-08-07T15:22:11.736+01:002019-08-07T15:22:11.736+01:00yup unfortunately this happens with all forms of c...yup unfortunately this happens with all forms of creative expressions art, dance, music, books and even blogs :) Great post xoxoDaniela Ark @ BOOKIVERSE (www.danielaark.com)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15777377723072645220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-75938670791995369312019-08-07T11:57:19.868+01:002019-08-07T11:57:19.868+01:00I love how you've written this eloquent commen...I love how you've written this eloquent comment which is full of the names Bob and Fred because of my random example! XD Lol.<br /><br />I try to have genuine responses to artwork etc. - partly because I'm a contrary little so-and-so who was raised by hippies and therefore when I drag them to galleries, they spend the whole time pointing out when there's a dog in the picture and complaining that the Botticelli paintings are too formal and the portrait subjects are grumpy. <br /><br />...I had a point, somewhere, but I appear to have wandered away from it dramatically...<br /><br />...I think it was something along the lines of, I try to have a genuine reaction to the art, rather than considering it as a monetary value. Unfortunately, because of the way the world works, money is always going to dictate how people value things culturally, as well as financially. (Or something like that!)Cee Arr @ Dora Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074909561530525221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-85293096273610307142019-08-06T19:09:15.994+01:002019-08-06T19:09:15.994+01:00It's a strange concept that "the world va...It's a strange concept that "the world values status over substance" and I'm wondering how we actually got to this point. In your example, the paintings by Fred and Bob should be judged as individual works without the name attached making any difference to their values, but it doesn't work like that at all. I suppose partly it might be fear of stepping away from the herd. Bob is publicly recognised so we can all safely agree his work is 'better' than Fred's without running the risk of being thought uncultured or ignorant. But then we have to blindly accept the judgement of whoever heaved Bob onto that pedestal in the first place, and we've given up our chance to make our own choice.<br />I love how your posts get me thinkingStephanie Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071958445763105060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-3239557132222664642019-08-05T12:41:39.303+01:002019-08-05T12:41:39.303+01:00Hell yeah! I don't have any auto-buys b/c I no...Hell yeah! I don't have any auto-buys b/c I normally think v. hard about what books I'm gonna by vs get from the library anyhow, but it's fine to be a fan of a particular author - so long as you stay open to criticism and respond genuinely, instead of simply saying you like something *because* it was written by someone in particular.Cee Arr @ Dora Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074909561530525221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-904551567804562350.post-83069547995858284222019-08-04T18:14:54.232+01:002019-08-04T18:14:54.232+01:00I am not a fine art person. But, there is definite...I am not a fine art person. But, there is definitely something to be said about judging art by the name vs. the actual image. This why I try my hardest to not have auto-buy authors, because honestly, there are some great books out there by authors I have never even heard of. paperbackprincesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446601964387517150noreply@blogger.com